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Android 17 vs Android 18 potara fused with her daughter
Topic Started: Feb 21 2013, 09:38 PM (2,136 Views)
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What is this proving
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Feb 22 2013, 09:53 PM
What is this proving
It's proving that some people have way too much time on their hand.
Edited by Emmeth, Feb 22 2013, 09:56 PM.
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If each generation in DB was factually stronger than the last, no questions asked, then the human race should be much more powerful by the time we jump into the story.
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nah. 0 excess ki x infinite generations of increase still equals 0 excess ki. normal humans don't have any ki to impart to their kids to cause an increase. a very few, like satan, get to a point in physical condition where their natural ki gets passed on, but for the most part, every human starts at the racial baseline.

but krillin isn't you average human. he's probably stronger than frieza when marron was conceived. that kind of power gets passed on, every single time.
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Bardock/Raditz shatters the generational rule.

Edit: Had to remove Goku from that equation.
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bardock the 10,000 pl warrior is not canon. also, how old was he? raditz was only 35 when he died, iirc. bardock could have been 60 or 70, and we'd never know, because saiyans don't age the same way humans do.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Feb 22 2013, 10:25 PM
bardock the 10,000 pl warrior is not canon. also, how old was he? raditz was only 35 when he died, iirc. bardock could have been 60 or 70, and we'd never know, because saiyans don't age the same way humans do.
Bardock is canon, however his PL is unknown.

Truthfully, he could've been anywhere however his placement in the manga (time wise) makes it very hard to put him below 1200.

Also, 60 or 70 seems impossible seeing as how Toriyama said Saiyans start deteriorating fast at a certain age, and even going bald, like Nappa, and he was probably in his 50's.
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he said saiyans live about as long as humans, but don't really age until they near the end of their life, when they start deteriorating quickly. except for their hair, which may or may not change color, turn grey, or fall out.

the average real human lifespan is 79. DB is set in a futuristic world, so lifespans would be longer. however, it may not be average lifespan, but instead maximum lifespan, which is about 120 for humans.

so either saiyans tend to live to around 90 (maybe), or they tend to live to around 120, and they don't really age, with the possible exception of their hair, until the last 10 years or so.

@bardock. i never said bardock wasn't canon. i was referring specifically to his 10,000 pl. i know bardock appears in the manga. but even if he's only 40 or 50, we still have no comparison between raditz and bardock, because bardock's canon pl is never hinted at.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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Bardock isn't even 10,000 in the movie, but that's besides the point.

I don't think there's really anything left to debate here as neither of us is going to change our stance.
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So, if Yamcha had a kid with Launch and didn't train her at all, other than presumably ki control, would she be > BoDB Yamcha?

Videl could fly, yet she was pathetically weak.

Nothing suggests that Marron is any different. #17 wins.
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Feb 22 2013, 09:28 AM
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Feb 22 2013, 04:05 AM
Why does 18 need to fuse...they are both of equal power anyway.
17 is a little stronger.
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Frieza> Cold: Plot is the reason this happened and AT didn't want to retcon this since Cold was going to die anyway.

Videl> Hercule: Hercule had stopping what ever little training he had done and Videl had wanted to beat her dad plus her ki control and it still was never stated 100% Videl> Hercule.

Piccolo> King Piccolo: Due to plot and training.

No idea where Maron falls with power but I think any Potara> fusee that made the Potara. Potara not only adds the power it gives it a slight boost and that boos should be enough to beat 17.
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